Matt: One and a two,

Alison: and a 1,

2, 3, go.

Woo.

Matt: yeah.

It's gonna be another
wild and wacky ride today.

Alison: I feel like,

I feel like there is a, a, a
palpable difference when we

record on Friday versus Tuesday.

Like,

I feel like by, by Fridays we
have no foxes left to give.

Matt: Yeah.

Yeah.

You have a very interesting
topic today, Alison.

You know, we, we have had such fun,
so many fun guests this year already.

And we have been talking nothing but going
to GenCon and and all these other things.

Um, and you were like, Hey
Matt, is there anything else?

Alison: Do, do, we have personalities
outside of ADHD and D&D?

Uh, my hypothesis is no, personally.

Matt: Okay, so that's the hypothesis.

You have a hypothesis, and we're going
to test this theory today on the ninth

episode of the second season of ADHd20.

Which is a podcast where find
the intersection between ADHD

and TTRPGs

Alison: Yeah.

Matt: That's it.

And I'm Matt.

Alison: Oh, right.

Hi, I'm Alison.

Matt: Hi Alison.

Alison: Hi Matt.

Uh, but before we get into the topic and
how, and how I came up with the topic,

Uh, which is a story in and of itself.

Why don't we, oh crap.

I don't have my D 100.

You would think after 20 something
episodes of this, we would be

prepared for our own podcast.

But we're not.

Oh, God.

Dopamine, yes.

So good.

Matt: Okay.

Alison: You wanna go first?

Matt: I will go first on the
ADHd100 table, lovingly crafted

by you and our friend Fitz.

Um, I rolled an 89.

Alison: All right.

89.

Uh, what is one viral trend
that you have participated in?

Matt: Wow.

Alison: I

love that I get to ask the ultimate
hipster who hates conformity, what

viral trends you have participated in.

Matt: Oh boy.

I feel like you as our marketing
social media maven master,

would know better than me

because I've tried to think.

Okay.

So I'm, I'm assuming that it,
extends to like TikTok dances

and, uh, ice bucket challenges.

I did.

I've done neither

Alison: All

Matt: things.

Alison: All of the things about
the internet you hate the most.

Exactly.

Matt: Oh

Alison: the way, in case anyone's
curious, I have done both

of the things that Matt just

Matt: That I just mentioned.

Yeah.

I am stumped.

Hold on, hold on.

There's gotta be something.

I'm, I'm not trying to be cool.

I promise.

I'm genuinely trying to, okay.

Alison: I stumped Matt.

Matt: I think you stumped me.

I really do.

Alison: I feel like even as it relates to
maybe when we were like social media-ing

together for Jump, we would do like, Man
Candy Mondays and Woman Crush Wednesday

posts and we did Throwback Thursday stuff.

We even made up our own like hashtags.

Matt: Go to Hell Tuesdays.

Alison: Go to Hell Tuesdays,
everybody's favorite.

Matt: Uh, when, when these apps
first came out, I did take an

occasional picture of coffee or food.

Alison: Oh yes.

Yeah.

You do your green posts on St.

Patty's date.

Matt: I do, I dye my food on St.

Patrick's Day and then
take a picture of it.

Alison: Okay.

There you go.

See, see?

Beautiful.

Matt: God, that was hard.

I'm sorry.

I'll try to do better.

I'll try.

Please.

Anybody listening, give me a viral
trend that you think would be

suitable for me that I wouldn't,
you know, turn my nose up uh

Alison: Oh, uh, Out
your comfort zone, sir.

Even if you will turn your nose
up, it'll only make you stronger.

Please, Discord community.

Give Matt all the viral trends you
would like to see him participate in.

Our friendship has been all about you
pushing me out of my comfort zone.

Matt: Truth.

Yeah.

Alison: I think it, I think it's time.

Matt: Time for, for, me to leave the nest.

Okay, we'll see, uh, to be continued.

Alison, what did you
roll on the d 100 table?

Alison: I rolled a nine.

Matt: I think we've gotten this one.

Yep, we have, so the only choice
that you have, if we do our above

or below, is, um, above, actually,

Alison: All right.

let's go up.

Matt: Let's go up number 10.

Number 10.

Uh, if you could play only one
D&D class for the rest of your

life, what would it be and why?

Alison: I feel like that's very similar
to what I also know I've answered,

which is, which is my favorite.

Matt: Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Alison: And here's it's, you know,
it's gonna be a caster because I just

feel like playing a brute, and maybe
this is where I need to grow, right?

Like, maybe I should commit to,
I, you know, I, I'd be a barbarian

and see how many different
ways I could play a bruiser.

Maybe that would be more fun.

But I feel like if you choose some
kind of caster, the possibilities to

me in my brain seem more unlimited.

I mean, even in the number of times
I've played Sorcerer, for example, I've

played different flavorings and I ch
tend to choose my spells accordingly.

So like I just played a Clockwork
Soul Sorcerer last night.

And I made sure to choose spells that
were flavored for her kind of specific

level of mind control, cuz she's all
about like telekinesis and telepathy.

Versus like I think of Cora, my
Storm Sorcerer, whereas she's more

about controlling the elements.

And then of course there was my first
Sorcerer, Lavinia who was all about

fire and burning stuff to the ground.

Fire.

Fire.

Matt: It sounds like Sorcerer
is the answer, sounds...

Alison: But I don't think it is.

I'm not, I'm saying like a caster,
because I think that's the answer

everybody's expecting me to go for.

So now I have to be a contrarian.

I think it would be Druid.

I just think that they're tanks and
they're wildly interesting to play.

Matt: Mm-hmm.

Alison: And so if I had to be gated
to one, it, the, the first two

that popped into my head were Monk.

And Druid.

And I think I'm gonna go Druid.

Matt: Okay, man.

Interesting and interesting.

Well that was fun.

Uh, stumped me and then you surprised me.

Alison: And then I surprised

Matt: Stumping and surprising.

Alison: Um, alright, so today's topic.

So let's, let's, let's back this train
up and, I'll tell you how I got here.

So first of all, I recognize for any
of my friends and family listening,

understand that all I talk about is D&D.

I am so unapologetic about this.

Matt: Good Good, good, Good, Mm-hmm.

Alison: I don't want to
talk about anything but D&D.

Uh, I love it.

Uh, and I'm gonna continue
loving it for a very long time.

Um, we kind of touched on this
with the Dungeon Coach last

episode, um, about starting to
like ponder what is it about D&D?

Why was this the thing that
we just all gripped onto?

And I have so many hypotheses there,
but as I was thinking about that exact

question, I began to wonder, could I go
a whole day or even just a whole podcast

episode without talking about D&D or

Matt: Oh my gosh.

Alison: Just as I mentioned to
you, like we're all about pushing

each other's not boundaries.

I don't feel like you've ever
crossed a bound, but we are

Matt: Buttons!

Alison: Know, like.

Buttons or, you know Yeah, we do
push each other's buttons, for sure.

Um...

But like, saying like, Hey, let's,
let's expand our comfort zone.

Ecamm: yes,

Alison: Okay.

That's, that's what I was trying to say.

And so in that same sense, like,
should we get out of our comfort

zones and talk about something else?

And the reason I was thinking about
this is because I just went on a

very long road trip talking about
pushing myself out of my comfort zone.

Matt: Mm-hmm.

Alison: I said yes to my first
family vacation in over 20 years.

And so I spent almost 48 hours with
my parents driving from Charlotte,

North Carolina to Freeport, Maine.

I mean, the drive is only technically
16 hours, but with traffic and stops,

It took us two days of
travel to get there.

This is one way that you and I differ.

That's another topic we need to talk
about one day is like we, there are a lot

of ways you and I are similar, but there
are so many ways that we are different.

And and like I love, I love a car ride.

I love a road trip.

Matt: Hmm.

Alison: But what I know about, I now
know I, I need to be very selective

with who's in that car with me.

Matt: Mm-hmm.

Alison: Sorry, Mom and Dad,
but you know, it's true.

And I, I, I also just
really love solo car trips.

I think I, I love my friends.

I love you, Matt.

I will do pretty much anything in the
world with, with you, but I like, I think

road trips with myself more than anybody
else, which is weird to say out loud.

Matt: No.

Alison: Wonder what that is about?

Matt: I don't think you're alone.

Yeah.

I think there's others in the world.

Alison: So as I, as I was in the
car, and there were many times in the

road trip that I just had to put my
AirPods in and just listen to music,

so as to not have to talk to my

Matt: Wow.

Just like a teenager.

Just like a teenager, circa 16, 15.

Alison: So I had a lot of, I
had a lot of thinking time.

So

Matt: Uhhuh.

Alison: Uh, what, what is it about, you
know, ADHD and D&D and, and, and what are

some other things we could talk about?

Matt: Okay okay so here's the question.

Did your parents tell you
to stop talking about it?

Or you just didn't talk D&D with them and
then you couldn't, and then you were like,

well, then I don't have anything to say.

Alison: Uh, I couldn't
talk about ADHD with them.

Uh, I, I haven't even tried
with D&D because I know that

it's so weird to them that I

Matt: Sure.

Satanic.

So Satanic.

Alison: Yeah.

Well my, thankfully my parents
aren't part of the Satanic Panic.

Uh, but they wouldn't get it.

They barely get my love of theater.

So

Matt: Okay.

Yeah,

Alison: the fact that I spent hours,
you know, like looking into a screen

at my friends pretending to be
anybody other than me, they would

just, they wouldn't get, and I feel
like, honestly, I feel like that's

the case for a lot of my friends.

Matt: Yeah.

Alison: Probably some of my
friends listening to this podcast

right now are like, love Alison,
but I don't freaking get it.

Matt: So as I've mentioned before, I
do use Marco Polo to stay in touch with

certain friends, and a good friend named
Mike Smith, who is big fan of the podcast.

Yeah.

Really loved the Dungeon Coach episode.

And he said, I don't know the first
thing about Dungeons & Dragons or

role playing games, it's not my thing.

Uh, and there are plenty of times where
y'all are talking, I just go, but he said,

but what, you try to do is to, present
topics in such a way that is at least a

little bit inclusive most of the time.

And in this case, it was the Dungeon
Coach as a creator of piece of of work.

He, he could have been a writer,
he could have been a playwright.

He could have been a, a number of things.

The point was we were
inspired by this man.

Who is, you know, taking a full-time,
steady job and, and throwing it away,

And, and then, you know, doing this thing.

And, and Mike was like, I just want
you to know that, uh, even though I

don't know what you are talking about,
it was still exceptionally cool.

So my point being, uh, that I
do feel this pain that you kind

of, maybe, maybe it's not pain.

I mean, we are unapologetic about it,
but another part of this podcast could

also just be, um, talking about these
things that we love in the way that

other people talk about their loves.

Alison: Yeah.

Matt: In an interesting way too, right?

but but your challenge though
today is can we make a podcast

that we don't talk about D&D?

Alison: It, it's interesting cuz that
was, so that was the original idea, right?

Is is what, what would Matt and
I talk about for roughly an hour?

Matt: Oh.

Alison: If you took this away from us?

But even as I was making the outline
today, you know, uh, so I asked, I

said, what did we love before D&D?

Seriously?

Like, what were our hobbies before?

Because I think, I hope fingers was, you
guys was I an interesting person, before?

I'm not even saying I'm an
interesting person now, but

Matt: Not at all.

Not at all.

Absolutely in intolerable

Alison: Button pushing.

Matt: You would talk.

Okay.

Okay.

But here we're getting into
something really interesting though.

So as usual, I did not know
where this was gonna go, but now

I'm starting to see something.

So we did used to speak about
many different other things.

And in fact, Bivins Brothers Creative,
The BivBros Show, had you on as

a guest a number of times, and we
didn't talk about D&D back then,

we talked about musical theater.

Alison: Disney and theater.

Matt: And Disney and theater.

But I also knew about you that sports
were a major, major part of your life.

Sporting events, uh, football,
football, I don't know beyond that,

Alison: I, I will go to any sporting
event if you're like, Hey, I got

tickets for a hockey game or a baseball
game, or, I will go, but I do not

follow anything other than football.

Matt: Right.

Alison: just so you know.

But you're right.

I, I forgot And because I did, I,

there was season, I live in
Charlotte, North Carolina.

I am from Birmingham, Alabama.

They are six hours apart
without Atlanta traffic.

Atlanta traffic, god bless you.

I once, when I first moved back
to Charlotte from New York City,

I can't believe this, this, this
feels like another lifetime.

I had season tickets to the University of
Alabama games, which is like seven and a

half, almost eight hours from Charlotte.

So I was driving to Alabama twice
a month to go to football games.

Matt: You've just described
one of my visions of hell.

Alison: I.

Matt: described one of
the most horrific things

Alison: I'm about to make it even worse.

I'm about to take your hell and twist it.

Matt: You had to go on a bike.

You were riding

Alison: no, no, There's football, there's
driving and then there's more football.

So I would get in the car on
Friday, I would drive to Alabama.

I would get in sometime late Friday.

I would spend all day, cuz Saturday
down South, man, is an all day affair.

It does not matter if the game is
at six o'clock at night, which when

you're Alabama, you're in primetime.

We would do things all day
celebrating our love of our team.

Roll Tide.

Okay.

So that was all day Saturday.

Right.

And then the game.

And then I would get up
at the butt crack of dawn.

We're talking like on the road at 4:30,
5 AM so I could be back in Charlotte in

time for a Panthers football game whose
kickoff is normally 1:00 PM on Sunday.

Matt: Oh.

Alison: Oh my God.

So a, I like, I didn't
remember any of this.

It's like it was out of my brain
and suddenly you just like unlocked

this box that I forgot I had.

And yeah, I was that hardcore about
it that I would, oh my god, I totally

forgot about that phase of my life.

Okay.

Matt: So I like, I like that.

And, I just added something to,
to the concept of this podcast.

You've named sports and we, you know,
we could talk about theater as well.

Mine, at one point music.

Playing music, um, being in a
rock and roll band and or even in

Chicago playing with many talented
musicians here, doing theater.

There was a time where I was a
full-time actor, which was super fun.

And so, so one question that I get all the
time, which you probably get some, some

version of it, do you miss playing music?

Truthfully, honestly, I do not.

Do not.

I'm not saying that that won't change.

The other thing is I know
that, certain things are going

to be a part of you, right?

But do I miss it like
being my full-time gig?

No, I do not.

I do not miss it.

I will always be a musical person.

I will always have these
instruments ready to go.

I love being on stage.

I know that I do.

I think I'm pretty good at it.

And I feel like, there's things
about being in a play that I really,

really, really, really loved.

But do I miss being on stage right now.

Right now?

I don't.

In the pandemic, this thing
came into my life and it filled

These creative drives, social
drives, so on and so forth.

And I say those things, they
really do feel true for me.

Alison: I've gotten that too because,
so I, I majored in theater in college.

I stuck around Charlotte for
a couple of years afterwards.

Did as much community theater as I could.

Then I moved to New York
to make it big time.

Spoiler alert, I didn't make it big time.

Took classes was in a couple like
little bitty things, but kind

of realized early on I didn't,
first of all, I hate auditioning.

And that if you're gonna be a professional
actor, uh, if anybody's listening on

the cusp of wanting that auditioning is
gonna have to be a part of your everyday.

But really went for the experience.

Right.

And was lucky enough while I lived
in New York, I mean theater, there

was the thing that I ate, slept,
breathed, you know, my first job

in New York was for Broadway.com.

Uh, I spent the last several years working
as a hotel concierge where I got to talk

about my two great loves theater and food.

So I was very much ingrained in it, and
because of that was constantly going

to see shows on someone else's dime.

I, I totally lucked into those
roles to get to get that.

So, I mean, there would be
weeks, especially when like

the seasons were just starting.

I would be at the theater
four or five nights a week.

And I remember when I moved back to
Charlotte and people said, oh where are

you gonna get back into theater here?

And I, it just, even the
thought of it exhausted me.

But I was fortunate enough,
one of my first jobs back in

Charlotte, I worked for Muzak.

Yes.

The elevator music company as everybody
knows and, I still don't know how

this happened actually, but I somehow
wormed my way into being a voice talent

cuz they do lot of like the voice on
hold or like the in-store messaging.

And so then I was, I remember
answering that question with like

the, everything's a stage, right Matt?

Like this is our stage
now we are performing.

Matt: well,

I realize every time we go to a
convention, I realize every time we

play Dungeons & Dragons for 16 hours
a day, it feels more to me like

music was at one point in my life
uh, that kind of like, oh, I want, I

want to see how far we can take this.

You know?

And, you and I have talked about
how this particular passion,

it's just so, it's so broad.

There's so many people.

And I think that's also sort of an, an
analogy to music in some ways where I do

have a, I do have another dream of just
playing Irish music in a bar wherever

I land at like a 75 to 80 years old.

Just I think that will happen to
me someday, cuz I love that music.

I'll go back to it.

But, right now, this is a thing
that I would, I would, I would,

I would fight through fear.

I'd fight through discomfort.

I would fight through nerves.

I'd fight through difficulty.

Because, because, we said many
times, being a dungeon master is an

enormous amount of work, or it can be.

Alison: Mm-hmm.

Matt: Doesn't bother me.

Um, I'm willing to put in the
hours and the work for it.

So yeah,

I don't know.

Alison: We're, tiptoeing
dangerously close to the, we're

talking about D&D line here, Matt?

Matt: I'm I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

Did, Did I go too far?

Did I Go too far.

Okay.

Alison: I, I,

Matt: right.

Alison: yeah,

Matt: I think, I think this
is what we're doing first.

This in so many ways has replaced,
other major, major passions

in in a very hardcore way.

So, especially if you're new to something,
but especially if you are trying to

make it a bigger part of your life.

Yeah.

You get, you're annoying.

It's the, it's the join, It's the first,
you know, year that you're in that cult.

Right?

Like, you, can't talk about anything else.

And you, you know, you do drive
your friends insane, Right?

Alison: I'm trying to find, and
this, this is where I will now

tiptoe dangerously close to the line
of like, what's the common thread?

Right?

But one, one common thread I know
about that we've talked about

is my, uh, penchant for, uh, fan
girlness over whatever it is.

And I think the common thread there,
and this may have nothing to do

with neuro spiciness, but is the
almost interactive aspect of it.

So obviously when music and theater
were a part of my life, those

were things that I was doing.

I was singing or learning an
instrument or performing on stage.

Right?

It doesn't get much more
interactive than that.

Same thing with like the voiceover
work and stuff like that, but even in

sports, if you listen to the the little
anecdote I told at the top of this, I was

actively being a part of the community.

I wasn't just walking into a
stadium going woo and wearing

some colors and walking back out.

I was spending an entire day in
celebration of that thing that I loved.

Hopping between tailgates and trying
to get on camera for, you know, ESPN.

I guess what it is, is I just have
to be the center of attention.

I have to implant myself
in all of the, story.

Oh, no, That's not, that's not
a good side of myself to see.

Matt: I don't know.

if depends on, on how you take it.

It depends on, on where
you're going with that, right?

Like, can you be a center of attention,
but then also, be surrounded by

people that you love and share
that attention at the same time.

Can you, can you revel
in other people's wins?

Can you allow

Alison: Mm-hmm.

Matt: The spotlight to shift
from you to other people?

I'm feeling for you, the, the
analogy is far more sports than

theater or, or anything else.

It really sounds like
it more because here's,

Yes,

Alison: And I'm a combat gremlin.

Like, I, I love the competitiveness.

The trying to beat something is
the aspect of D&D that I keep

talking about over and over again.

Matt: Mm-hmm.

Okay.

Okay.

All right.

So here's, here's my last, here's my
last thing about this, and then we can

really try to talk about things that
we're also into, uh, another reason

that this feels different special is
that when I was a musician, when I was

an actor, I never felt like I belonged.

Even in my own band, I did not
have an encyclopedic knowledge

of the Beatles or any band.

I didn't care that much
about history of music.

I liked new music.

I liked, I liked performance
of music as an actor.

I have some really, really dear friends
that are great actors, and I can

hang with them, but there is a game.

I don't know.

I don't, I don't get it.

Right.

I don't get it.

I didn't, so both theater and, and
music, I always felt like an outsider,

I wasn't doing a bunch of drugs.

I wasn't having sex with a lot of people.

And this, when we went to
Gary Con, I was like, Oh shit.

Alison: I belong

Matt: These are our people.

These are our people.

I get them.

I get them.

Right.

Alison: I know we make a point to not
talk too much about the rock band years.

Um, but interestingly enough, on last
episode of ADHd20 with Alan, when the,

the, topic of like, what is it about this?

Right.

And I said something about like,
like, rarely do I know so immediately

that like, I've found my thing
and, and every time that I've known

immediately, like this is my thing.

I, it has been like, I've

not

not been wrong.

All right, so for whoever has woowoo
uh, manifestation on their ADHD 20 bingo

card, uh, To kind of go back into, we
went through a few episodes back about

like our core values exercise, right?

And like, get like the meat and
potatoes of who we are and what

influences our every decision.

And in doing this exercise to find
my core values, I found seven.

One of them was community.

And I, to exactly what you were
saying, like one thing I've noticed

that the things that I am immediately
like this, is this is where I belong.

Matt: Yeah.

Alison: So the one before D&D was
Jump, Little Children and its community

where I knew the second that I saw
you guys both as a band and, and

meeting all of the people like this
is, this is a sense of belonging.

This is

Matt: For me, too.

Alison: Island of Misfits

of, you

Matt: And I built that.

And I

Alison: You did, You were the architect.

Matt: I was an architect that built
it in the, what, what did God do?

He built it in the, in the
man, in the form of his own.

What is it?

Alison: In his own image, he
created a man in his own image.

Matt: I created, I, I, nurtured the,
that community in the listserv, to be

people that I would wanna hang out with
and who I was, that I wanted to be with.

And somehow that worked.

And so I get that.

I really, really do.

It was the community all along,
and now we are in a, a similar,

loving, caring, understanding

Alison: Have I ever told you?

The reason that I started
liking football specifically?

It, I just, it all ties back in here.

Matt: Okay.

Alison: You know, growing up in
Alabama, you knew from a very young

age we're talking toddler right?

If you were gonna be Alabama or
Auburn, and like, that's how your,

your weekends were spent worshiping
at the altar of college football.

Matt: Wow.

Alison: And it was the only time that
I was welcome to scream in the house.

I learned really quickly as a little kid,

Matt: Oh man.

Alison: I could yell
insides and I felt accepted

Matt: Oh my God, that's so.

Alison: My own, loud-mouth skin.

Matt: Oh.

Alison: But it's

Matt: That's so sad.

Alison: But it, it's not,
it's acceptance and community.

Right?

Like, I was it like any of those,
those points in your life where you

feel okay to come as you are, and
just be, are always like, you know,

signpost moments throughout your life.

And I vividly remember if I yelled in
the house six other days a week mm-hmm.

But if I yelled in the house
on Saturday because somebody

forced a turnover, green flag.

Matt: Good job.

Good job.

Wow.

I love that.

Really love that.

Wow.

Alison: You're getting a really
inside look at my life at this one.

Matt: That, yeah, man.

You know what?

That's a perfect cap, I think
for this, for this topic.

I get it.

It's, it's community.

So we, we, it's not like we, we
shouldn't be so surprised, but, uh,

I'm gonna go with you and just say, I'm
going to remain unapologetic about it.

Alison: I'm so proud of us for
having other other interests, but

we can still love D&D the most.

Matt: We can, we can.

Alison: I'm gonna put
this in the W column

Matt: Success.

Okay.

The W, the W, a sports reference!

Wow.

That was a good callback, man.

That was good.

And I never knew knew that
was a sports reference until I

moved to Chicago when I was 40.

Um,

Alison: I'll go on record and say,
that one of my goals is to get

you to an Alabama football game.

I'm not gonna try for
Carolina Panthers, because

Matt: Yeah.

Alison: it could, first of all, I know
how you feel about Charlotte, but like

that's just a more sterile experience.

But I think, I think that you would
enjoy going to an old southern town and

seeing like the history and the, cuz
you're somebody who I think does like,

appreciate a good tradition or ritual.

There is something special about
like game day food, uh, and just the

celebration and the community of it.

So I am gonna go on record and
say that one of my new bucket list

items is to take Matthew Bivins to a
University of Alabama football game.

Matt: I would love that.

And, and, and I'll, I'll just say
it's something that I would never,

ever try to put together myself.

I would never actively
go to Alabama to do that.

I would never go to to see the,
a Panthers game in that way.

However, if anybody is having a group
outing to something like a Cubs game

or something, that means a lot to them.

You know I'm gonna be there and for that
same reason that you, because I, I love

to, people watch, I've never understood
the, the, the rules of football.

So maybe finally someone's gonna
like, maybe you'll finally yeah.

Finally.

Alison: But Matt, you were,
you were in marching band.

Matt: I sure was.

Alison: The whole reason that I know
everything I know about football

is because I had to in order
like, because you have to know.

Matt: Mm-hmm.

No idea what was happening.

I, I did, ADHD, dude.

And I didn't know I've, no, I did not
know what was happening on the field.

Never did.

Not once.

I just was there.

I, I, I I moved where
they told me to move.

I, I played my sax.

I, I did my little Michael Jackson dance.

I had no idea what they were doing.

You know, I would see the scores change.

I'd be like, oh, okay, cool
cool And I would just, no idea.

Alison: So I, I didn't
march with my clarinet.

I was on drum line.

And so we had to know what was going on
in the game because that dictated what

we were playing and what we were doing.

And we were doing things with
like, the, the cheerleaders and

our dance team were called Dorians.

So like I had to know actively what was
going on in the field in order to be...

weird, that's, that's an

Matt: We just, No, we had a really,
really, really good, um, drum major.

We had an amazing drum major.

And he was super fabulous.

And just, I, I just, I never knew.

Alison: All right.

Well, I, I did realize, you know, I hate
on my hometown of Birmingham a whole lot,

and I realize part of that's because I've
never really experienced it on my own.

And as an adult I associate it with, you

know, childhood.

right?

But Birmingham has had a
really cool, like renaissance.

So I say we do like a, a weekend
trip, don't stay with my parents.

Like, just go to, to
Birmingham as tourists.

Go down to Tuscaloosa for football game
and uh, continue to push buttons and push

ourselves out of our own comfort zones.

Matt: But we'll probably also
turn that into a weekend D&D trip.

Alison: Yes, I'm totally okay for that.

We're gonna find a spooky ass
house in the bowels of Alabama.

Matt: That's most of them.

Yeah, that's most them

Uh, at least back in the day.

anymore.

Sorry, Tuscaloosa.

Okay.

Perfect.

Oh my God.

I, you, you always, you
always make it happen, Alison.

I don't know.

I you always make it happen.

That's very impressive.

Uh, this was fun.

I really

Alison: I did, I did come into
this one with having my doubts, but

also faith in the two of us that

we'd we'd carve,

Matt: We can, We can do it.

We Find the path cuz we're professionals.

Don't

forget everybody.

Uh, well, alison thank you
for being on my podcast.

Alison: Thank you for being up my podcast.

Matt: Yeah, you're welcome.

It was a joy, a delight

Until next time.

Alison: Yeah.

Matt: What, what is
the song for Roll Tide?

Go Roll Tide.

They're gonna break your legs.

Everybody coming down to the field.

I'm gonna gonna run around with a thing.

Made of Leather.

Now I'm gonna throw it to a big ass
uh, pitch fork on the other side

of the field is this, am I close?

Alison: That ,you're,
uh, it's, it's uncanny.

Matt: Right?

I'm just making it off,
off the top of my head.

It's, it's pretty much
exactly what they sing, right?

Roll Tide.

Come on everybody.

Won't you please throw me the ball?

I don't even, oh, God.

Help, help.

Oh god help.

Alison: You're, you're
basically a clairvoyant.

with

Matt: Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

I felt pretty close to God.

Who made man in his own image.

Alison: Full of the callbacks today.

Get

Matt: Get on the field Take off
clothes, everybody, throw the

foot ball all around the house.

Let little baby Alison
scream her guts out in public