Matt: You're really gonna love this part.

Are you ready?

I have no idea what we're
talking about today.

Oh man.

100.

How many points do I get for that one?

How much XP do I get for that?

Alison: You get XP for
admitting it, right.

For not coming in here
and trying to bullshit me.

I would see right through it anyways.

But,

Matt: Oh boy.

Oh.

Alison: This is our, our last,
episode before I take a vacation.

And it is

Matt: It better be good.

Alison: Yeah.

Lining up to be the, the
height of, professionalism,

sophistication, chaos, and otherwise.

Feels good.

Feels great.

Matt: It does.

Alison: Aren't those of you who
joined us live on YouTube, excited

that you did so you could see Matt's
happy dance that he did just now?

Matt: I do a little
happy dance a lot though?

I really do dance a lot.

Alison: Mm-hmm

Matt: I mean, you can attest to that.

Alison: I can.

There's always a lot of dancing.

Matt: There's a lot of dancing.

Alison: So I thought today, we could
talk about your favorite, things!

You know, instead of Oprah's
Favorite Things episode

it's Matt's Favorite Things.

So this is, this could be the episode
where you walk us through all of the

different bits and baubles that you
have to keep yourself productive.

Matt: Oh man, I can always talk
about productivity systems.

I mean, it's all I ever think about.

First off.

Hello, Alison.

How are you?

Alison: I'm good, how are you?

Matt: Um, let's see.

Yes.

So today we were gonna talk about
productivity methods or I was

specifically gonna talk about productivity
methods, and then I forgot about that.

We could kind of talk about it in
terms of tools of course, but also just

Alison: Like things we do
to get through the day.

I have some of those.

Matt: Tricks, tips, tips, and tricks!

Alison: I love that we're on video,
cuz it gives me the chance to show

off which dice I'm rolling with.

And so this is since this is our first
live stream, I decided to roll with

the very first set of dice that I got.

So this is the super sparkles
are, uh, were a gift from Fitz.

Matt: I'm ready.

dice.

Dee dee dee dee dee

Alison: I rolled a 21.

Matt: All right, Alison, what is one
topic that you researched so thoroughly

during a moment of hyperfocus that you
are now an accidental expert on it?

Alison: Wow.

Matt: went into such a zone, such a rabbit
hole that you came out the other side.

Like I know, I know something
better, more than anybody.

I actually have one of those too.

Alison: Uh, uh, I think that's how
I got started in marketing and more

specifically social media marketing.

I won't say that this is now a current
research expert level, uh, anymore,

since it's a, an ever changing game.

But I'm pretty sure that one day I just
kind of wanted to know how it all worked,

like why I was seeing certain things in
my feed and how I could, you know, be more

successful at getting more engagement.

And one thing led to another.

And then suddenly I was charging people
money to run their social media.

And it was, it was kind of an accident,
I guess I'll admit here on air, cuz

I just went down a rabbit hole and
didn't surface for many, many years.

Matt: Yeah.

I was just gonna say that mine,
not that I'm allowed to answer this

question, but mine was captioning.

I just wanted to see if I could get
Lindsay into a show that I was doing.

Again, completely accidentally.

Alison: I mean, go us, like going on
such hyper focuses that we actually

managed to make careers and businesses
and touch people's lives with our

knowledge, that feels kind of good.

Matt: Dropping knowledge
is...no, it is fun.

It's really, I think that's one
of the cool things about the ADHD

brain is that you have that thirst.

You have the ideas, you have the desire
and, and you'll just burn through things

that you like, that you're interested in.

Like that learning, um,
Alison, my number is 30…

two.

Alison: 32.

Your question is

Matt: Yes,

Alison: I love this one.

What is a language you
wish you could speak?

Note, this absolutely
includes fantasy languages.

Matt: Whoa.

Alison: Mm-hmm

Matt: Okay, so.

I think my problem is that
apparently languages weren't enough

of a hyper focus thing for me,
for me to learn them fluently.

So that's always very frustrating
is that I get to a point with a

language like a Spanish, especially
since I've been to Spain and Mexico.

And it's always very frustrating
that I can speak just enough.

Alison: mm-hmm

Matt: And then.

and then I don't understand.

So it's like, I'm not able
to be, you know, a part of a

conversation with strangers.

I, I can't be that weird guy that
just goes up to strangers and starts

talking to them while I'm in Mexico.

Uh, so

Alison: I'm sorry for your loss.

Matt: That's okay.

Spanish.

I've always loved French though.

Uh, I think like French was the third
language, which apparently is the

one where things start to click in.

So I really understand French when
I hear it, but I don't speak it cuz

it's very hard to say those things.

Um, but if we're talking fantasy,

Alison: Mm-hmm

Matt: I think it have to be Elvish.

Right?

Alison: I knew you were gonna say that.

I did.

I was like, Matt's gonna say Elvish.

Matt: Probably like the French
it's, you know, it's like the

French of fantasy languages.

The,

Alison: Yeah, yeah.

I think for some reason, I, I almost
always choose Primordial with like, I

don't know why, but I wanna, I wanna
speak with the beings at first inhabited

a world and their low grumbling.

Yeah.

Um, I, I, whenever I get like
a, you randomly get to pick a

language nine times outta 10.

That's what it.

Matt: That's interesting.

Alison: I don't know why.

Matt: Yeah.

Okay.

Primorial yeah.

Love that.

In this, in this world that
we're building, um, I have this

whole faction of sexy, assassins
that are all Frenchy French.

Alison: And Evan plays
the sexiest of assassins.

Matt: Yeah.

Uh, one, one time we should have
an episode about is it an aspect

of ADHD to be attracted to the
avatar of your fellow players?

am very, very attracted to
Fitz's character named Charlie.

Alison: I'm very attracted to
Evan's character named Bale.

Matt: These are just drawings, people.

These are not human beings.

They're just cartoons.

Alison: I'm heading over to our
project management tool, monday.com

to take that note as a future.

Cause you know, otherwise
it's just like, PYUNG!

And gone and, and we'll
never come back to it.

So!

Matt: Yes.

Alison: Here we go into ADHd20,
which houses all of our beautiful

outlines that we make and, and toss.

Matt: And that's, and that's
a good segue too, right?

Because you start talking
about productivity.

And I think we mentioned last episode, my
biggest tip, not even a tip is a necessity

for me is, is writing things down.

Alison: Mm-hmm

Matt: Immediately.

Like don't ever assume that
I will remember anything.

Yeah, I have to get things out
of my, brain as they happen.

So that's like a combination
of talking to watches.

And like I said, last time a command
space will make notes but yeah, to

get just what you did, you know, you
opened up the project manager and you

said we won't remember that later.

Alison: Having a recording does help.

Sometimes that keeps us honest.

I have found myself more and more because
I can't trust my own notes anymore.

And this is something that's
getting worse with age.

I used to have elephant brain, man.

I can still remember choreography from
when I was 12, but I can't remember why I

walked into a room, like it's bad, but I,
my notes are making less and less sense.

So I have started recording more and
more, um, client meetings, just so I can

have that last five minute wrap up of
the things that I said I would go off

and do before the next time we meet.

Even if I write that down now, I
either can't find it can't make sense

of it, forgot the, the things we
talked about, the pain points leading

up to whatever it is I'm gonna do.

So now I just, Loom has
become my best friend.

So I can just record a meeting
and then look back on it.

Matt: Nice.

Uh, there's another one.

You have to pay for it,
but it is pretty amazing.

It's called otter.ai and you can
just kind of plug it into Zoom or

all these other things, and it will
just transcribe meetings for you.

Anything that it hears.

Similar to our friend Descript
to translate voice into text.

Yeah.

Alison: Interestingly enough.

So I use like that and I think
it's just a worse program.

I think it's called Firefly.

So it, when I set up a Google meeting,
it basically follows me in when I start

the meeting creepy and transcribes it.

I don't know if everybody that I've
ever met with while using this platform,

self included mumbles or I, I have a
really hard time making sense of it.

I might be able to catch key phrases.

Um, but I also wonder cuz I'm not a
very good, I'm not an auditory person.

I, I, I need to, I'm a visual person.

Like I need to see it.

And I understand a transcript is written,
but there's something about rewatching, a

recording that I've already lived through.

That I can see that and be like, oh,
we're about to dive into the subject.

I need to rewatch next that doesn't hit
the same on a, on a screen or a piece of

paper when I'm just reading a transcript.

I get really, really lost in a
transcript even with a search function.

So.

Matt: Okay.

Yeah.

I can see that.

So the thing about all of my productivity
tools is that as I've mentioned,

I have a problem and that problem
is that I always think there's

gonna be something better, right?

The, the number one rule for any
kind of productivity system is it's

not going to be perfect for you.

And, once you accept that and move.

Your life will be easier.

I haven't yet, but I'm working on it.

Alison: Everyday, Matt!

Matt: Everyday, just one day at a time.

Sweet Jesus.

So, um, yeah, I, I just, uh, that is
really hard for me to learn because

there are so many talented developers
out there making, to do apps and

project management apps and, um,
note taking apps and calendar apps.

I mean, it is an endless, endless line.

And so many of them are great, and
you think that when something new

comes out or what's really, really,
really uncomfortable is the dance

of you try something you're like,
oh, it's not ready for prime time.

And then you leave it.

And then, but you have an account.

So, you know, a year later they come back
and they're like, Ooh, now we have this.

And I'm like, Ooh.

And so I'll jump into that again.

Oh, maybe that's, maybe it's better to the
point where I will like be able to use it.

Um, no, no, really what you need
to do is to stop the switching

back and forth if you can.

I think right now people are
trying to find the one and done

the one that does everything.

So there is an app called Notion,
which is really, really amazing.

I use it as just a pure Wiki that,
cuz you can easily put whatever you've

written online, but it's super powerful.

It's, It's a combination of, of
a database app like Airtable with

a writing app, like, you know,
Microsoft Word with task management

and just all kinds of calendaring.

But, it does try to do
all of those things.

And I, I have not been able to
successfully, live inside one app to

much to my chagrin, much to my chagrin.

And I think it's partly because my
brain is going to jump around and I

want to learn about new things and I'm
gonna wanna keep testing new things.

Um, so as I mentioned, one of the
first things my ADHD coach said was

alright, yes, I, I know the world
of the magical new unicorn app,

that's coming around the corner.

She knows that she lives that herself.

She says, just find ones that do
the best job for you right now.

And then don't leave them for a while.

So I'm very proud of myself
for the last almost year now

sticking to three -ish main apps.

And they are, there's a todo app slash
sort of project management called Todoist.

That is for like quick
capturing things I have to do.

And the reason that it won out of the
others, it has so many integrations.

So you could, anywhere you are at any
moment, you can get something into to do.

And that's the

Alison: mm-hmm

yep.

Matt: Todoist sorry.

Todoist .The second set of things,
the note app is called Obsidian.

And then the last one is basically Google
calendar, but I have different interfaces.

So I like this.

I like this Mac app called Fantastical
because you can, you know, with a key

command, you can open up a, just a
little prompt and you can write, um,

lunch with Alison tomorrow at noon.

And it will, you know, spit
out that into your calendar.

And you can set that up
for multiple calendars.

And also, also Fantastical has this
really nice, um, new thing where

you can schedule so you can sit, it

Alison: Mm.

Matt: Give you a link, so you
can set up a bunch of different.

Um, that was one major pain point is
like, if I wanna have a meeting with

someone it's like, so when are you free?

Email two, I'm free here, here, here.

Email three, please, please.

So it's very, it still makes
me uncomfortable to send a link

like that, but it really works.

Those are the three main ones
and I've used one more app,

sometimes, it's called Drafts.

It's Mac only.

And what Drafts does is like
little snippets of text.

Like if it's not important enough,
really to get into Obsidian.

Sometimes I'll even write texts in Drafts.

Like if I need to reply to someone,
because if I, I know that if I open up

my messages app on the computer, I will
read things and I'll get distracted.

The, the goal for me currently
is to find every way possible to

not get sucked into something.

So if I have to write an email,
then I try to do it in another

app, like Drafts or Obsidian.

Right?

And, and then I'll send it to mail.

Because if I can skip the inbox,
then that's just one more chance

that I won't get sucked in.

Alison: Interesting.

Yeah, I'm so guilty of, oh, I'm just gonna
hop in here and send that quick email.

And then I get distracted,
especially cuz I have like nine

inboxes or something obscene.

So it's bad.

It's a problem.

Matt: It can be real, real frustrating.

And so those are the
three things I'm I'm using.

Todoist is, is pretty easy to explain.

I would go ahead and say that
if I weren't a programmer and

I preferred looking at text,

Alison: mm-hmm

Matt: I would not recommend
Obsidian for most people.

I really wouldn't.

Uh, it's really, really fast because
the nice thing about Obsidian

it's super safe because it's
actually files on your computer.

So if Obsidian for some reason goes
under, like the app, the company, you

still have all of your data in files,
little markdown files, which are

text files, which can take anywhere.

So you'll never ever lose
your data in that way.

So super secure.

But, it also is kind of a tinkerer's
dream, which is a pro and a con for me.

It's really great.

And especially for D&D, it's incredible
for D&D because you can drag files

and throw things in there as well.

And so you kind of have
your own miniature database

of just files, which is fun.

And, and the magic of Obsidian really
is this concept of back linking.

So if you, with just like the smallest bit
of formatting, you can just type as normal

you again, you don't switch any context.

You say, um, the party, rescued
brackets, Ireena from Strahd, and

that links that one sentence to

No, that's what you I'm making it up.

That hasn't happened.

Uh, keep going.

So in that one sentence, I've, I've
linked, Ireena and Strahd who, and

they have their, they each have
their own files, their own pages.

So on the Ireena page, I can write
anything I want about Ireena, a

picture, any, any kind of information
I want about her, same with Strahd.

But now when I go to Ireena's
page, I'll see a link to that one

sentence that I wrote, it just kind
of blank, blank, blank, and you

can just hop all the way around.

So it's really great for an
ADHD brain because you don't sit

around and futz with folders.

Notion is similarly amazing.

Yeah, Fitz is saying Notion's lack
of privacy is off-putting, I wish

Obsidian worked better for me cuz
the platform is way more secure.

Yeah.

Um, I understand though Obsidian is just,
it is not on the user friendly side.

It's it's it's just a little too nerdy.

But for me, especially when I'm
working on code, because I could

use my actual code editor and
open up any of my Obsidian files.

Which is really amazing.

And going back to D&D there is,
there are nerds that take my virtual

tabletop of choice and allow you
to point my code editor to a folder

and turn that into an entire module
adventure, just with markdown files.

And that can be read by Obsidian.

So it's like, it's a nerd's, PKM, , you
know, Personal Knowledge Management.

That's what the, the newest, um,
name for like a note taking app is.

That Notion and Obsidian,
they're not just note apps.

They're, PKMS they're
personal knowledge managers.

Or management.

Alison: I demand a sexier name than that.

Matt: I know it's not super sexy.

Yeah.

I've been talking a lot.

Please say something, help me.

Alison: You're just so good at it though,
Matt, like, I don't have as much to

add, but what was kind of coming to
mind was, um, so we'll pull back the

curtain here for a minute into the inner
workings of Bivins Brothers Creative.

Um, and so I guess more than a year
ago, maybe even closer to two, at this

point, we were in desperate search
of our own kind of project management

note taking, we were kind of doing what
Matt was saying is nearly impossible.

You're not gonna find an all-in-one.

So find the solutions that
fit the need, um, and then

tailor them to your existence.

But one way that we did not all see
eye to eye on at all was project

management and task management and how
we were gonna hold ourselves and one

another accountable to deadlines and
deliverables and due dates and all of

those other "d" words that we hate.

And so Matt surprising to no one took
point on this project and would find

different tools and we would, you know,
take their free trial periods and test

them out, try and run a project on them.

And there were some that
we collectively hated.

There were some where some would
hate and some would love and

Notion was definitely that one.

When Matt presented Notion
to us he was on cloud nine.

He was so excited and he even took
the time to like personalize little

personal pages for me and Evan with
graphics and things he thought we

would, you know, grip, hold of.

Evan hated it, hated it.

Matt: So much.

Alison: I was somewhere in the middle.

Like I was because of the work Matt
had done, I think had Matt just

opened it up to a blank screen.

My feelings would've been more similar
to, to Evan's, but because you knew

me enough to at least not give me
a totally blank screen and at least

like, show me the possibilities.

I, I was like, okay, I could, I
could see a world where this works,

um, in the, in a world, um, where.

We didn't choose that one in the end.

And sometimes, sometimes I regret that.

Matt: I regret it.

I regret it because not too, too long
after that they did open up integrations

too, which, it's still not, not,
not where Monday is even, but it...

the thing about The thing about
Notion is so daunting is that

you have that blank slate.

But the thing about Monday and these
other ones, Monday, Asana, and Click Up.

They're super daunting to me.

Because it is just, if, when I
open it up, it is no noise, nonstop

noise, and I can't turn it off.

Like Monday is so hard for me to
go into because it never starts

me where I want it to start.

And I have to find every
time where I want it to go.

And in that journey of getting where I
need to go, once I get there, it's great.

But in that journey, I'm
just, I'm so distracted.

Alison: I, I told Matt, it
was, I guess a couple of months

ago that I, I Matt-ed, Monday.

Like I, I just like sat down with here's
the problem, how am I gonna fix it?

And I just went into hyper-focus
mode until I had built exactly the

dashboard with exactly the views that
I needed to make my little brain work.

That's one big way that I differ
from, I think you and Evan is, I am

constantly like zooming in and out.

So I'm looking at the big
picture and then I'm looking at

the, the levels of granularity.

There's there's a fun word to try and
say, um, granularity, um, up next we

will start an ASMR podcast anyways.

Matt: Granularity

Alison: I still though, I remember
the day that you and I were on a call

and we figured out that we probably
weren't going to find something that

made everybody happy all of the time.

Matt: No.

Alison: But giving ourselves that freedom,
cuz we had been trying to do that up.

We had been trying to find the solution
that would give each of us what we needed.

And when you just had, I remember watching
the light bulb go off in your head.

Of it doesn't have to be perfect and
it doesn't have to be for all of us.

If I can integrate it enough to
get things into my personal PKM.

Matt: Mm-hmm

Alison: I wanna say PKD, I want
it to be like database instead

of manager for some reason,

Matt: Sure.

Go for it.

Alison: When you realized you could
hack Monday enough to get what

you needed out of it, while also
giving me what I needed in it, um,

that kind of changed everything.

Um, do you have any non-digital
things that you do ever, or is all

of Matthew Bivins' life all the
time, digital and digital only?

So are there any, yeah, like, you know,
uh, analog productivity hacks or, or

things, um, that you've gotten to know

Matt: Yeah,

Well, I mean, most of them are digital,
but one year, Lindsay bought me a

bunch of incredible fountain pens.

I really just wanted to connect with
my father who always used a fountain

pen to write everywhere he went.

And he had beautiful handwriting and,
uh, so I wanted to connect with him.

So I, so Lindsay found this, this maker
of fountain pens, they're made for people

with ADHD in that they, you can drop them.

They actually have a video on their
website where they, they drive

a car over their pens, they're
super, they're tank-like, um, but

really, really fantastic pens.

She gave me a couple of those
with different type nibs.

And I always have a, um, like a moleskine
or a, or a leuchtturm or something around.

And, and so what I, what I do
with that is a couple of things.

Number one, when I'm starting a
project, it usually has to be some kind

of visual thing, much like yourself.

And so one thing I do is mind map a
lot, if I cannot figure something else

out, and there are, there are some
really great mind mapping digital tools.

Um, but sometimes you just want
to paper and pen it, cuz you can

just draw and write and draw and
write and all the little boxes and

lines that go just so much easier.

Uh, and then the second thing I'm
trying to do, I'm trying to do is one

thing of my day that I feel like I'm
missing is, the downside of having

quick capture and an incredible app
like Todoist to capture all the tasks.

And sometimes they all, and a
lot of them end up on today.

I try to not overload today, but,
but when they do, I try to sit down

with something that is not digital
and pick three, maybe four things.

Alison: Mm-hmm.

Matt: Honestly, one
thing needs to be done.

And at the end of the day, and
this has gotta be, an ADHD key.

This has got to be, cuz it feels
so correct when I do this right.

But.

If I say, I'm gonna do this one thing, and
if I do this one thing, then a successful

day, it is a successful day, period.

If I have like a major list of stuff and
I'm just checking random stuff off, I

might still have a major list of stuff.

And I only focus on the stuff I didn't
get done, which makes me feel bad.

So when I do this, when I
follow this, there's a couple

of different methodologies.

There's, there's a new one called Bento.

There's a really great
one called Make Time.

Very, very similar.

Don't look at your whole task list.

You pick three ding dang things.

One has to be done.

A second one is like, if you have
time for that, and then maybe a

third one is like small and fun.

And if you can get all three done,
then your day is just gonna be

Alison: Made

Matt: Made.

So that's what I'm trying to use paper
for, because while there are beautiful

apps like Bento and Make Time, it does
feel real good to write those out.

Do you have any tips and tricks now
that I've talked the whole podcast?

Alison: Uh, man, get on
TikTok and find ADHD TikTok.

It's so fun to watch it cuz some things
I've realized I do without being told to.

And I'm like, I do that.

So now I know why I do that.

Like I saw one recently, uh, where
somebody just gave the tip of, do you need

to be productive while you're at home?

Especially if you're working from home?

Keep your shoes on.

It sends a signal to your brain.

This is not cozy time.

This is, and I do that.

I've done that when I first made
the switch long before the pandemic

Matt: Uh, oh, I'm
putting my shoes back on.

Alison: Put your shoes back on!

When I made the switch before the
pandemic to work from home many,

many years ago, I, I started a rule.

I had two hard and fast rules.

One I could wear PJs, but they had to be
different PJs than the ones I woke up in.

No going from bedtime into daytime.

So cozy clothes are fine, but they have
to be clean, fresh, not what I slept in.

Two, no working on the couch.

Cuz I knew that that would become
slippery slope to working on any surface

all over the house and having no work
well and having no work/life balance.

Um, and so I, I made those rules.

I stuck to those rules and somewhere
along the way, I started both getting

dressed, not in PJ's, but in actual
clothing and also putting on shoes.

And then now to hear somebody else be
like, yeah, put on shoes, but try it.

It does, I I'm, I'm worse about it in the
winter when I wanna be wearing slippers.

So I have like hard-soled slippers that
are like my daytime slippers that are

different from my nighttime slippers.

Matt: Yes.

And, and for those of you, uh, like our
friend Fitz that says shoes in the house

are a deal breaker, which I understand,

Alison: So have house shoes.

Matt: Or, or business socks.

Alison: It's about sending the signal to
your brain, that this is a differentiation

of time and space, because as we've
talked about before, we don't have

the same relationship with time that
neurotypical people may, and that's fine.

And so it's all about another trick
that I learned is, and it's kind of

in line with what you were saying.

First thing in the day, you need to come
up with some kind of low reach gratifying

task because that starts signaling the
brain that today's gonna be a good day.

Today's gonna be a productive day.

So if, even if it's like, you know, on
it, it's your day off and you were gonna

clean the house and do the laundry and
the dishes, and also binge watch, you

know, whatever the latest and greatest is.

Don't get up and go to the
couch, get up and do a, just, you

know, take the garbage outside.

It's two minutes, but then that
signals to your brain, we're

being productive right now.

And that feels so good that you associate
that good feeling, that accomplishment

with marking more tasks off your list.

Because it's so much harder to lift
yourself out of that borderline,

you know, just lethargic,
comatose state on the couch.

Then if you just stay
upright in the beginning.

And that's where I think people with
ADHD get a bad rap for procrastinating.

It's not, you know, something we're doing.

It's something that we fell into
and if we had just reversed order,

um, and in reversed engineered that.

Um, and so now I do, when I know I have to
get through some things, I'll try and get

up, do something gratifying first and see
how long I can keep that momentum going

until I'm ready to sit on my butt and
binge watch something, which is also okay.

Matt: Is also okay.

Which is also, you know, you get
points, you get points for these things.

Um, but, but there's a system called
Eat the Frog, which is the opposite

of what you just talked about.

Right.

Do the most difficult unpleasant
thing first to get outta your way.

That just doesn't work for us.

I don't think it works for us at all.

I think it has to be a way to,
like you said, you need that

reinforcement and that kind of
like rollercoasterness of, okay.

Well I guess I'm working now.

Okay.

Maybe I can do the, okay.

Maybe the frog is, is edible now.

Alison: I, I always get my brain
,chemicals mixed up about what's

serotonin and what's dopamine.

And, but there is something
chemical to that, you know, I've,

I've accomplished something that,
that just gets you into that mode.

Maybe.

I don't know somebody who knows
science better than me is that

serotonin, dopamine or something else?

Um, but.

So, yeah, I don't think
Eat the Frog would work.

And I also just want to quickly
say, as far as humans go, we

don't have to earn our rest.

Like we just get to rest
because like we're not robots.

Matt: True.

Alison: Sometimes you feel like, oh,
I, I can't sit still or I can't take

a day until, uh, no, you can, if
you want to, you absolutely can just

drop it and do what you wanna do.

We give you permission and you
should give yourself permission too.

Matt: Mm-hmm

Yes.

Tell 'em ADHd20 said so.

Alison: the way, we didn't do a good job.

So last week we told everybody
that we now have Patreon and we

would love for you to join there.

Mostly just to be part of the
conversation and to be part of our

crowd, posse, whatever word we're using.

Matt: Mm-hmm.

Alison: So we've mentioned Fitz and
our good buddy Meg Anderson-King party.

Um, they were watching because that's
one of the things that we're now

probably going to offer is that we
will stream these recordings live

for our patrons, and you can hop on,
join us in the chat, watch us dance.

If that sounds fun to you, head
to our Patreon page, if that

does not, keep it to yourself,

Matt: Yeah, no problem.

Don't worry about it.

Alison: No problem at all.

Matt: It's cool.

We love you.

Alison: Yep.

Absolutely we do.

Matt: I feel great about
everybody who joined us today

and, and are listening right now.

And, uh, yeah, if you have any questions
about productivity and you want

somebody with lots of opinions, but
also willing to jump the ship and join

whatever cool new thing you've got to.

I'm your guy, man.

Alison: Yeah,

Matt: Yeah, I'm ready.

Alison: You are.

You're it.

Matt: I'm ready to learn new things.

So

Alison: You're

Matt: them together.

Yeah.

All right.

Well, until the

Alison: Thank you.

Matt: until the next time,

all.

Alison: Talk to you soon.

Matt: Bye

Alison: Bye.